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User Name · Sep 22, 2005, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by Sofonisba

If Anet can implement the code to prevent equipping two elites at once, it can implement the code to prevent equipping one elite in the arena lobbies at Ascalon and Yak's.

that's actually significantly more difficult than preventing one to equip mulitple elites...but yes it's doable and it's probably the solution they are going to use.

coldslammer · Sep 23, 2005, 09:27 AM // 09:27

they could make the level rules more tighter, so if you reach level 11, next round you would be kicked out.
they could make the low arenas give out more exp/faction, so you would level faster, forcing them out of the arenas

a frag mesmer is not the worst ive seen in the arena, ive seen necro use life transfer combined with life siphon which gets you a full -10 degen, and a +10 regen to you, a decent monk won't be able to keep up with the degen going that fast, also the 2 warriors arnt having much luck due to the +10 regen.

ocoini · Sep 23, 2005, 09:32 AM // 09:32

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Originally Posted by Arturo02

It was much worse when you didn't get xp. Now at least at SOME point a tricked out char will be booted.

True, but if you never lose you can keep playing to level 20, seen plenty of level 11's there with questionable equipment. anyone have a screenshot of a level 12?

In the european district there arent that many players playing in that arena, and a lucky team (good balanced build) + a cupple cheaters can keep playing forever.
Yesterday I played 20-30 times against 1 team, they kept beating us over,and over again, until we FINALLY managed to take them down with 2 cheaters on my own team.

and 2 more screen.... :\
(2 of many...)

Mr. Matt · Sep 23, 2005, 09:50 AM // 09:50

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Originally Posted by Aetherfox

it appears the developers of GW have made every effort to make this game as accessible to players as possible. have you played any other MMORPG? the thought of going back to RO, ROSE, WOW, makes me sick because of the sheer grind and restrictions imposed on characters. among many of the shortcuts given to you in this game are like instant travel, no consumable items, fast free healing, no permanent death penalty, non grind levelling system, freely editable player attributes.... and we also have items and skills with no level requirements.

unbalanced yaks and ascalon arenas is a very small price to pay for all of this, considering that i would personally only spend 1% of my total playtime in those areas, and 49% of my time in the story mode and 50% of my time in Tombs or GvG.

Half-Life 2 is a better game than a lot of other FPS offerings. The bulk of it is good. But if there was one enemy in the whole game that had a bug causing him to have such high hitpoints that you couldn't technically carry enough ammunition to defeat him, I would expect a patch. I see no difference here. This isn't just someone who is so skilled they cannot be defeated we're talking about here -- it's someone exploiting the low-level arena with items and skills that you wouldn't normally have at that point in the game. That's like slipping in a helicopter gunship as an enemy at the beginning of Half-Life when all you're armed with is a crowbar. It shouldn't be there, and it's up to the developers to get rid of it. Certainly, those of us who have played for a while have a chance at defeating one of these cheaters in the level 10 arena. But someone new to the game and PvP in general, won't.

If you bought a new car, and it was all fine except for the fact that the radio didn't work properly, would you sit back and say "oh well, the rest of the car's fine; I won't bother getting them to fix this"? After all, the radio isn't a major component of the car; a broken radio won't impede your ability to drive, nor damage the safety of the car, so why bother getting it replaced? Because when you pay for something, if you find a flaw in that product that can be fixed you expect it to be fixed. I'm not sure why people view games any differently than this. You did pay for yours like the rest of us, after all.

Alodarn · Sep 23, 2005, 10:16 AM // 10:16

It would be fixable, but quite a big step, that I think they wouldn't want to do, and with the expansion, they can't without breaking lots of the new stuff. Just make the step after the arena a one way journey like the pre/post searing transition.

Not that it's going to happen, but that how I would do it.

EternalTempest · Sep 23, 2005, 10:42 AM // 10:42

I just got a mes past pre and decided to try the arena... mistake.

One of the 1st fits had the opposing team had W/Mo 10 tank (and someone who was 11) on the other team. All this does is make me not do PvP with this character for now. I will not even re-consider this once I can do 4x4 random teams or have a good shut down mes. Only problem is, not use to mes so I have no idea what level I will be (I do all the quests before I go in to the next zone) so I may not be able to go back.. not that I would miss much.

An also this is a lot of work for such little faction rewards unless you are actively "farming" for it expecting to come across new players.

Here's a though, if you been to draknor's then you get 0 faction reward (unless you kill someone who also been to draknor's).

trelloskilos · Sep 23, 2005, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by Shmash Witdaclub

It really all does come down to skill. I have 2 lvl 20 pve and i made my fourth - a ranger. i am completely against twinking when it comes to pvp- takes the fun out of so many games. having said that - i still beat the crap out of so many of you drokers and elites in ascalo - thank god i at leats had my gold bow............

however, once i hit lvl 11 - end of the ascalon arena - i did my first drok run and got the drok armor for her. I think that it is well deserved to twink and not have to go through all of the missions in this game once you have practically beaten it with 3 other characters.

yes, i am a lil bit of a hypocrit but I had to even the odds some.

I disagree. I don't think there's anything hypocritical about a 2nd, 3rd or 4th character paying for a Drok Run, as long as it stays purely PvE. Players who go to Droks to kit themselves out for Ascalon Level 10 PvP are sad gits who seem to need to feel superior over other players in any way they can.

Players who wish to develop 2nd, 3rd, or 4th characters just for the purpose of UAS, or to try different areas with different builds, to develop different dedicated builds for farming/L20 PvP+PvE/Exploration/Experimentation are not influencing or ruining the game for anyone else, and that's perfectly acceptable in my opinion.

Xiombarg · Sep 23, 2005, 10:57 PM // 22:57

all of you make very good arguments.. but i was in the ascalon arena one night.. i noticed alot of people bitching about this team of players with ALL droks armour and 3 of them had good elite skills, so i told everyone not to press the go button except me ( smiter monk) a shutdown mes and a ranger... and a warrior, well, i played with each of these chars before, and they are quite good.. so when we got in.. we found we were vsing the droks team, and i yelled out "" KILL ME I HEAL"" and lol 2 of there warriors went straight for me i killed them in about 10 secs,the mes shutdown there healer and there mes got owned by our warrior, the point of the story is to bascially accept the challenge, its ALWAYS possible to win, so instead of whinging about it, join them or kill them, it is easy if u get a good build and actually organize.

and i also forgot to add... i got ran to droks and bought the armour and the skills, but i agree with all of yous i went to the ascalon arena but when i got in a team and we won more then 2 times i quit, i dont like being the cause of unfairness, some people might flame me.. but ya know im not a person who wants to get 100 wins by cheating.. so yeah sorry.
Rome

Red Locust · Sep 23, 2005, 11:09 PM // 23:09

A mesmer using peace and harmony...lol how in the world can you lose to that?

Don't get so worked up over the lvl 10 arenas. The game is definitely not balanced for those kinds of low levels, equipment/elites are just one of the many things wrong with ascalon and yaks bend arenas. Level up, get to Lions Arch, and play team arenas. It's much better.

EndobioticChaos · Sep 24, 2005, 12:47 AM // 00:47

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Originally Posted by Red Locust

A mesmer using peace and harmony...lol how in the world can you lose to that?

Don't get so worked up over the lvl 10 arenas. The game is definitely not balanced for those kinds of low levels, equipment/elites are just one of the many things wrong with ascalon and yaks bend arenas. Level up, get to Lions Arch, and play team arenas. It's much better.

Yeah but that's not the point. The point is the arena is for newbs. It's there so people new to the game can try out pvp, and hopefully like it and stick with the game. As it currently stands, the newb arena is definitely not going to give any real newb a liking for the game. By now it seems a full 25% of all people in that arena have droknars armor and/or elite skills so newbs are basically guaranteed to face not only a player with at least some experience and mediocre skills but a player also vastly better equipped.

The simple fix would be to copycat WoW and put minimum level requirements on better gear (ie. L16 req. for Droknars armor and elite skills).

Sofonisba · Sep 24, 2005, 12:56 AM // 00:56

I agree Endo - the point of a lower-level arena is to actually BE lower-level. It's fun when it's right, when it is TRUE skill that wins the day.

Xiombarg, of course you can beat the Drok's/elites. Once in a while. If you're lucky and they're dumb. Otherwise, if it's down to a ranger with nothing special and a warrior with drok's and eviscerate, well, ... that's where either a runner or a defeatist is born.

Red Locust - please please please please stop telling people to stop going to those arenas. It is such a wrong way to go about it.

If you remember, a certain high-profile restaurant chain got in trouble a few years ago for their racist hiring and serving practices. There was a class-action lawsuit. Anyway, the solution was NOT "just don't eat there" or "just don't try to work there." The solution was a change in policy. Period. [No flames, this is just a game and I realize that... but the principle stands.]

Led Wolf · Sep 24, 2005, 07:48 AM // 07:48

Well after beating the game legitimately a few times i found replay value in running new characters to droknars and building a faction farmer (back when u couldnt get xp from arenas) I made 15k faction too

. Heres a pic.

Silent Wandarer · Sep 24, 2005, 08:05 AM // 08:05

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Originally Posted by Sanji

Roleplay Arenas are FUBAR. Unfortunately, if you want a fair fight as you can get in random match ups, roll a PvP character.

i tomb with my rp char warrior

stronger then pvp ones

Sofonisba · Sep 24, 2005, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by Led Wolf

Well after beating the game legitimately a few times i found replay value in running new characters to droknars and building a faction farmer (back when u couldnt get xp from arenas) I made 15k faction too

. Heres a pic.

I sure hope you don't expect anyone to be impressed. No one even has Mend Ailment at Ascalon, ie nothing to counter/cure your Poison Arrow.

Sorry to sound harsh, but even if you have beaten the game, well, you deserve zero respect from me for that particular "accomplishment."

Alana · Sep 24, 2005, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Led Wolf

Well after beating the game legitimately a few times i found replay value in running new characters to droknars and building a faction farmer (back when u couldnt get xp from arenas) I made 15k faction too

. Heres a pic.

Are you actually expecting people to be impressed by you? You are one of the reasons for this thread in the first place! Did you even read it? Wow. You are just so UBER L33T for your ability to kill newbies with your Droknar's armor.

KvanCetre · Sep 24, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

The point was he made a ton of faction, he didn't do it to impress you.

Sanji · Sep 24, 2005, 03:06 PM // 15:06

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Originally Posted by Silent Wandarer

i tomb with my rp char warrior

stronger then pvp ones

Stronger? Hmm.

I haven't seen anything that is outright better than PvP gear outside the +5 Energy Sword. More flexible, sure, but it involves far less grinding or dumb luck to make a good PvP character than RP. Whereas the pay off for making a good RP character pretty much gives you different looking gear along slight variants of mods.

Led Wolf · Sep 24, 2005, 10:30 PM // 22:30

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Originally Posted by KvanCetre

The point was he made a ton of faction, he didn't do it to impress you.

I dont care about impressing people(thats what fame emotes are for), i just wanted to point out why i did it. To see how much faction i could get from doing this, and use the faction to unlock things that poor people like myself cannot buy. By the way i ran myself to droknars using two accounts and two Pc's, so i didnt pay a droknars runner, nor do i agree with that aspect of the game. It was just a personal goal that i wanted to accomplish. It may sound stupid to some, but everybody enjoys the game in there own way.

Eltargrim · Sep 24, 2005, 10:34 PM // 22:34

The issue is when one person's enjoyment starts to infringe on other's enjoyment. Sort of the same thing with rights. Sure, you have freedom of expression, until you start printing hate speech against...oh, I don't know, Muslims. That's a bad thing, infringing on others rights. Same with other's enjoyment.

What you're doing is selfish, nothing more.

Led Wolf · Sep 25, 2005, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by Eltargrim

The issue is when one person's enjoyment starts to infringe on other's enjoyment. Sort of the same thing with rights. Sure, you have freedom of expression, until you start printing hate speech against...oh, I don't know, Muslims. That's a bad thing, infringing on others rights. Same with other's enjoyment.

What you're doing is selfish, nothing more.

I agree with you, and if a petition to stop the explotation of the lower lv arenas was made, then I would probably sign it, but as long as anet gives people the right to do this, then u cant expect people to not exercise that right. If I was the source, then anet could end this problem simply by banning me. Like i stated before in my post, my reason for doing it was an experiment. I have not had a so called "Noob slayer" character in the low level arenas for a few months now, and I probably never will again because the faction from HOH is significantly better. I apologize to anyone who I might have slaughtered while in the low level arenas. You can blame me, or you can blame players' ability to bring Droknars armor, elite skills, and "uber weapons" into the low level arenas which is ultimately out of my hands.If i could stop it, then i would, but i cant. Sorry.